In book 18 of the Odyssey, Irus fights Odysseus disguised as a beggar because he thinks he will win the fight easily. But Irus soon finds out that it will not be an easy fight. Have you ever been put into a situation like Irus? Where you jump into a situation thinking it will be easy, but then it turns out to be harder than you expected? If so, what happened? In this book do you think Telemachus continues to mature? Also, why would Odysseus warn Amphinomus about what he is going to do, when Amphinomus has been courting his wife?
Yes, I have been put in a situation like Irus. As an example, I thought that my test was going to be very easy, and I felt very prepared. However, once I was handed the test, I saw how hard the questions were and how hard the test was. I was shocked. I ended up doing alright on the test, but I learned that I need to change my study technique. In this book, I do think that Telemachus continues to mature. I think that Odysseus warns Amphinomus about what he is going to do because Odysseus almost wants to give Amphinomus a chance to stop before he will have to fight him too.
ReplyDeleteAnnie, I love that you decided to follow-up on Coleman's post by asking if Telemachus continues to grow in this book. That's a great example of "building" a discussion. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteActually, I have been put in many situations like that of Irus'. One time, when I was at camp, I thought that the long hike we were going to go on was going to be difficult, or something like that. When we actually went on the hike, and came back, I realized that it was actually not that hard, or painful, but actually kind of fun. Another scenario which was very similar to this one, was when I studied very hard for a test, and thought that I was going to get an A+ on it. When I finally went to that class and took the test, the questions were much harder than I thought that they could be. Eventually, I finished, and thought that I still did okay, or decent, on the test. When we got our tests back, I actually got a B- on it. I think that I got an okay grade, but definitely not the grade that I was expecting to get, in the first place. I realized that there were a few very small details that I did not pay attention to when I was studying, which set me off, when I was taking the test. Also, I do indeed think that Telemachus had matured throughout the book, and continues to during this certain book, or chapter, of the Odyssey. Odysseus probably warned Amphinomus because he wanted to let him have a chance to back off, or actually fight him, before Odysseus ultimately fights and/or kills Amphinoumus.
ReplyDeleteI have been put in many situations like Irus'. An example was when I was running race for the cure, and I thought it was going to be easy, so I ran the first few miles at a pretty steady pace. I ended up walking the rest of the way because I was so tired. Telemachus has continued to mature because he breaks up a fight between the suitors. I think Odysseus warns Amphinoumus because Odysseus wants to give him a chance to live before he kills the suitors.
ReplyDeleteYes i have been put in that kind of situation when i signed up for wrestling one year thinking it was going to be fun and easy but it ended up being really hard and all the guys were bigger than me. In a way i think he matures more but it doesnt seem like it because he doesnt do anything about the suitors being mean to the beggar because he knows its his father. He wars Amphinoumus because he wants to let him know that he is going to get what he deserves for all the wrong things hes done and not leave without a punishment. He also does this as a scare tactic
ReplyDeleteI have been in a situation like that. When I was at a swim meet for the 50 yd. backstroke when I was 14 people thought I would do well, but I was quite a bit shorter than everyone else when we were all lined up. By the end of the race, I was 4th overall. I believe that Telemachus matures even more in this book because he is more controlled even when the suitors are abusing his father. Odysseus would warn Amphinomus about what he was going to do because he wanted to let him go because he wasn't that bad.
ReplyDeleteI have been in a situation like this before. I was 9, and in a baseball championship game. We saw their pitcher warming up, and were relieved to see he was pitching really slowly. But when the game came, he pitched at least twice as fast. Telemachus continues to mature in this book in that he learns planning techniques from his father. Odysseus warns Amphinomus in order to scare him, as what John David said, and also to give him a chance to make a smart choice and back off.
ReplyDeleteI have been put in a situation like Irus's many times before. Its really embarrasing when you think you know something or think oyu can do something better than somneone else and your proved wrong. Telemachus continues on being mature by planning revenge with his father and not freaking out over the fight and still acting like this man is not his long'lost father which must be hard to do. he is also still dealing with the suitors cordially even though they do stuff like set two beggars against each other. Odysseus still warns ampinomus because even though he will kill him eventually amphinomus should still know what he is doing is wrong and when the time comes for odysseus to attack amphinomus can think back and be like ' i should have listened to that beggar guy' and he can know why he is being killed. also it is a way to scare him and make even more tension amongst the suitors.
ReplyDeleteThere are many times where we find ourselves in situations like Irus. Last year, we had a soccer game against a team that we had just beat two weeks ago 3-0. However won got to play in state league. In the first half of the game we scored two goals which put us up 2-0. Sadly, we started to get cocky and relax on defense thinking there was no way we could lose now. The other team ended up scoring once, then twice, then three times. Our confidence went down every goal, and theirs went up. It was like a different game. As we see Telemachus and Odysseus make a plan to get rid of the suitors we start to see how they are both great leaders. Therefore, we see how Telemachus matures in becoming more like his father and being able to understand and participate in Odysseus' clever plans. When Odysseus warns Ampinomus I think he does it either for hope that he can change his ways or simple as a way of wanting to feel like he could defeat Ampinomus even when he has given him an advantage. It might make him feel more powerful and better about his achievement.
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ReplyDeleteI have been put in a situation like Irus's many times before. Its really embarrasing when you think you know something or think you can do something better than somneone else and your proven wrong. Telemachus continues to be mature by planning revenge with his father, not freaking out over the fight, and still acting like this man is not his long lost father, which must be hard to do. he is also still dealing with the suitors cordially even though they do stuff to provoke him like set two beggars against each other. Odysseus still warns Ampinomus because even though he will kill him eventually Amphinomus should still know what he is doing is wrong and when the time comes for Odysseus to attack Amphinomus can think back ' I should have listened to that beggar' and he can know why he is being killed. Also it is a way to scare him and make even more tension amongst the suitors.
ReplyDeleteI have been put in a situation like Irus's many times before. It's really embarrasing when you think you know something or think you can do something better than somneone else and you're proven wrong. Telemachus continues to be mature by planning revenge with his father, not freaking out over the fight, and still acting like this man is not his long lost father, which must be hard to do. He is also still dealing with the suitors cordially even though they do stuff to provoke him like set two beggars against each other. Odysseus still warns Ampinomus because even though he will kill him eventually Amphinomus should still know what he is doing is wrong and when the time comes for Odysseus to attack Amphinomus can think back ' I should have listened to that beggar' and he can know why he is being killed. Also it is a way to scare him and make even more tension amongst the suitors.
ReplyDeleteYes, I have been put in a situation like Irus. As an example, I the other day I had a big test for geometry. I thought that my test was going to be very easy, and I felt very prepared. However, once I was handed the test, I saw how hard the questions were and how hard the test was. I was shocked. I ended up doing alright on the test, but I learned that I need to change my study technique. In this book, I do think that Telemachus continues to mature. I think that Odysseus warns Amphinomus about what he is going to do because Odysseus almost wants to give Amphinomus a chance to stop before he will fight him and kill him.
ReplyDeleteI have been in a situation like Irus where I had a spanish test and decided that I wasn't going to study because I was overconfident that I knew everything. When the test came by, however, I didn't know what I was doing, and I ended up getting a C on it. I think Telemachus continues to mature because he is now able to assist his father in his plans, and they both think alike to get rid of the suitors. Odysseus warns Amphinomus because he wants to give him a chance to get away while he can, instead of getting killed like the others.
ReplyDeleteI have been in situations similar to Irus several times. One example is when i had a math test that i assumed was going to be easy. I had understood all of the material in class and done all of my homework in class so i decided not to study that much the day before the exam. I thought i was completely prepared for the test but when i received it i was shocked. It was much harder than expected and i got a terrible grade on the test.I think he has matured because he is finally stoping the suitors and being a man. Odysseus warned Amphinoumus because he was still giving him one last chance to leave and stop his misdoings.
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